Babies -Daemon.

[Chris_C]

As someone who lost their brother to cot death - when does a baby become self-aware? I mean the idea is at the point of death the eidolon and daemon spilt with the life being re-lived. But when does a baby become self-aware, when do they establish an eidolon and a daemon. Surely their daemon would only contain memories of a few days, or weeks - what's the point of that?
In fact, stepping back - what is the point of us re-living endlessly? Is there a point to it all?

[Anthony Peake]

As someone who lost their brother to cot death - when does a baby become self-aware? I mean the idea is at the point of death the eidolon and daemon spilt with the life being re-lived. But when does a baby become self-aware, when do they establish an eidolon and a daemon. Surely their daemon would only contain memories of a few days, or weeks - what's the point of that?
In fact, stepping back - what is the point of us re-living endlessly? Is there a point to it all?

Hi Chris,

Welcome. Very profound questions and I cannot even pretend to have answers to them. I can have "opinions" but nothing more. I would like to approach your second question first. You ask "what is the point of us reliving endlessly?" this is a teleological question in that it assumes that everything has a reason and therefore a planned outcome. I could ask a similar question; what is the reason for life? Or what is the reason for death? Or even what is the reason for consciousness. To my mind there is no answer to any of these questions. These things just "are". Indeed I have been asked this question before and my answer has always been the same. I may have suggested the model known as ITLAD/CTF but I am not responsible for it in the same way that Einstein is not "responsible" for relativity or Newton for gravity. just because somebody "discovers" something doesn't mean they created it. Columbus (or somebody else) "discovered" America but it existed before he set eyes on it (inded for the native Americans it had always existed). nobody asks what is the "point" of the the north American land mass. it just is. I have simplyulled some known facts together and presented a hypothesis with regard to what may be taking place. Simply that. I am no Einstein nor a Newton but my relationship with my discovery is the same as their relationship with theirs (with the reasonable observation that their theories have far more credibility than my ideas which don't really even deserve the descriptor of a hypothises...

Your initial question has also been asked many times, although in not such a tragically personal way. again all I can really suggest is that your brother had a short life in this (your) version of the Bohmian IMAX. In his own he may live a full life of seventy five years or more. Indeed if one applies the theory of Max Tegmark your brother's universe depends upon him as the observer to maintain it's existence. Remember, if Hugh Everett's model is correct (and laterly Hawking and Hertog) then all living beings exist in their own universes "collapsed" from a wave of probabilities into one "actual" by the act of observation.

Thanks for the question.....

Tony

[Derkein]

Chris,
What does your exploration of a persons past under hypnosis tell you regarding when life becomes self-aware?

[Hagbard Celine]

Chris,
What does your exploration of a persons past under hypnosis tell you regarding when life becomes self-aware?

Derkein, that's an important question whose answers have a lot of practical and ethical implications, to do with things like abortion, animal rights etc. Do animals have a Daemon? Do foetuses have a consciousness? If so at what term in the pregnancy do they get it? Does this mean that if you terminate a pregnancy the day before that time-stamp then that's OK? What if shrimps have a Daemon? Does this mean it's therefore cruel to eat a prawn cocktail?

I find the work of Stanislav Grof very revealing because he found compelling evidence not only of people who recall past lives as trees! He also found people who recalled what it was like before their birth, remembering medical details of the pregnancy etc.

[Derkein]

Derkein, that's an important question whose answers have a lot of practical and ethical implications, to do with things like abortion, animal rights etc. Do animals have a Daemon? Do foetuses have a consciousness? If so at what term in the pregnancy do they get it? Does this mean that if you terminate a pregnancy the day before that time-stamp then that's OK? What if shrimps have a Daemon? Does this mean it's therefore cruel to eat a prawn cocktail?

My view regarding the moral and ethical implications are quite simple, If it is wrong to take any particular type of life, then it is wrong to take any form of life full stop, but it is also the natural order. Take a look what happens when natural predators are killed off - plagues of mice/aphids etc.

Ethics/moral stances are a product of the society they are considered in.

I have absolutely no doubts that even plants have a life and life force beyond the purely mechanical. Whether we (as humans) consider this less important than our 'self-consciousness' is another issue.