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ArtFunk wrote:The term "déjà rêve" (already dreamt) has a number of meanings and it would be very worthwhile, I think, if we could come up with ways to differentiate them. I suspect Ian is here using it in the sense of "a precognitive dream that later becomes true in the form of a déjà experience". It could just as well, though, mean a dream in which one is conscious of having had that dream before. It can also refer to what are otherwise called "recurring dreams", ones that many people are troubled by, especially when they are associated with outer events that are negative in some way. One can have both déjà vécu and déjà visité experiences in dreams where one is reliving a situation met in a previous dream or visiting a locale that one recognizes from previous dreams. Sorry to "muddy the water" but I think it is valuable for us (and the world) to be clear about what we (and they) are talking about. I have long pondered this conundrum but have found no good solutions yet. I'll be happy for suggestions and input as to what names we should use for these various forms of déjà rêve.
I hope everyone here enjoyed a wonderful Christmas or Chanukah and are looking forward to a fine new year!
Hal Mercier wrote:It's wonderful to find a group of people who take this area of human experience as seriously as I do, and who have a balanced, scientific approach.
YouAreDreaming wrote:I am ever grateful that you are all so open to discussing these states openly on this forum, I believe in time, the worth of these conversations cannot be measured for those they will help.
@Espiralli I agree that we need to identify the grade of these dreams in order to label them with a relevant term.
Some grades come to mind:
1.) literal precognition which clearly translates as an exact match to reality and the dream. This would be the clearest memory pattern match.
It then needs to cascade into more degraded forms.
2.) Semi-Literal precognition where only some details are accurate and others are not.
3.) Symbolic precognition where the symbology of the dream is an abstraction of actual event. Symbols aren't clear of what they mean until the real event clarifies them. I have one example of symbolic dreaming:
I had a dream where an old man was teaching me to drive a forklift on a dirt road in a forest. Another man stopped me, he was angry and enraged told me to get off the forklift and give him my boots.
Later in life, I would be working at a metal factory and driving forklift. Because I drove the forklift, I didn't always wear steel toe boots but there was an inspection that day so the older foreman gave me someone else's boots to wear. However, the person when they came to work wasn't very happy and stopped me, yelled at me to give him his boots. He was quite pissed, so I had to give them to him right then and there in the yard. What a dick.
The dream was a clear symbolic representation.
4.) 3rd-Person precognitive dream, the kind where you either float or just observe a dream, but are not the actual participant. This is rare for me, but has occurred, mostly its always first person.
5.) Lucid Precognitive Dream - This one is really getting past the literal into a whole new realm of the experience where you in a clear, lucid and conscious state, observe a dream, before it comes true. This by far blows away the literal one.
6.) Changed Lucid Precognitive Dream - Where you change the dream, and the changes happen here. That is kind of as far as I got with my exploration of this state. I think that is probably the goal for each of us if we were to become adepts at this. I'd say its a natural progression but rare.
How this translates into déjà rêve is the elegance of language. Not being an expert I'll leave that up to Art and others who may find some more academic idioms to describe these states.
What we also need to work on, is how to consciously induce desired states related to déjà rêve. And learn to become more proficient at it. That is something I want to definitely get back into as I have been away from active lucid precognitive dreaming for quite some years now.
I have to go to sleep, so need to end the post. I'll try to visit a bit more. You are all awesome.
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