Deja Vu does not exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DinoCrisis]

Deja Vu has easily been explained:

Dr. Alan Brown has attempted to recreate a process that he thinks is similar to déjà vu. In studies at Duke University and SMU, he and colleague Elizabeth Marsh put the idea of subliminal suggestion to the test. They showed photographs of various locations to a group of students, with the plan to ask them which locations were familiar. Prior to showing them some of the photographs, however, they flashed the photos onto the screen at subliminal speeds -- around 10 to 20 milliseconds -- which is long enough for the brain to register the photo but not long enough for the student to be consciously aware of it. In these experiments, the images that had been shown subliminally were familiar at a much higher rate than those that were not -- even though those students who had actually been to those locations had been pulled from the study. Larry Jacoby and Kevin Whitehouse of Washington University did similar studies using lists of words with similar results using lists of words.

Based on this idea, Alan Brown proposed what he calls the cell phone theory (or divided attention). This means that when we are distracted with something else, we subliminally take in what's around us but may not truly register it consciously. Then, when we are able to focus on what we are doing, those surroundings appear to already be familiar to us even when they shouldn't be.

With this in mind, it is reasonable to see how we might walk into a house for the first time, perhaps while talking to our host, and experience déjà vu. It would work like this: before we've actually looked at the room, our brains have processed it visually and/or by smell or sound, so that when we actually look at it we get a feeling that we've been there before.

[DinoCrisis]

Now that i have refuted deja vu. I will leave this forum. Good bye.

[Cochitlehua]

Thanks for that, but you already posted that on page 4 of this thread.

And that is a cut and paste from another site? I know you didn't write it.

But, yes, that is one of the ways a deja vu feeling can be arrived at.

Once again, all deja vu is, is the byproduct feeling of something else.

It is not something like an out of body experience, but if you go out of body and travel to a place you had not been to physically, then later, go there physically, you will have a deja vu feeling, likely.

if you lived a previous life somewhere, another country, and you go there in this life, then you may have a deja vu feeling.

If someone flashes subliminal images at you, and you cannot see them, then later you may have a deja vu feeling as a result.

I can see subliminal messages, and my girlfriend can too, we see it in slightly different ways, but we can perceive them.

So I would know why I felt a deja vu feeling and where it came from.

But I feel fundamentalists are getting way too worried about whether deja vu exists or not.

It is just a feeling based on something else.
It is important to people that have deja vu, to find out why and where it comes from. But for people that 'never had deja vu' I'm not sure why they would be concerned that people that do, feel it is valid.

[ArtFunk]

My two bits:

A lot of the confusion around déjà vu is due to the fact that there are many different forms of what we call "déjà experience" and they are all called "déjà vu". This is why my website is called www.deja-experience-research.org and not www.deja-vu-research.org.

I received a cc'ed e-mail that Prof. Alan Brown sent to ELEW recommending she contact me. I, too, had to smile. If she and/or any of you (including Drifter) would like to contact me directly, my e-address is art at funkhouser dot ch.

If you have a few extra minutes and have not already done so, please fill out my questionnaire at http://silenroc.com/dejavu

Many thanks!

Art

[Elew]

Hi Art, thank you.

I was just going to ask for the link to your site, and there it is. It did make me smile, inside even.

I did not want to email you directly, because it is here, and you are the moderator...but I will if you don't mind.
I did notice that you called it deja experience too.

I will email you.

[Nimborio]

Now that i have refuted deja vu. I will leave this forum. Good bye.

Hmmm, really. Dinocrisis, by simply "clipboarding" a whole section from the website "How Stuff Works" does not, in any shape or form, involve you "refuting" anything. Copying information and then pretending that it is your own is a very sad thing to do and it impresses no one, particularly the many highly qualified individuals who regularly contribute to this site.

Indeed what intrigues me even more is that you feel that you have, by posting this piece of plagiarism, in some way or other "proved" that deja vu "does not exist".

I can clipboard dozens and dozens of articles and monographs that "prove" that the Bible, specifically the New Testament, is a collection of unhistorical "fairy stories" written between 70 and 150 years after the death of Christ. This would not, in my opinion, refute anything other than evidencing that on the web you can find "proof" for anything.

I know, as do approximately 75% of all human beings, that the deja phenomenon does exist because I experience it on a regular basis. I suspect that that is a far higher number than people who have had direct "proof" that any one variation of "God" or "Gods" exist by personal revelation.

In your own simple way you have become rather confused. The deja phenomenon exists, what is questioned by Dr. Brown is not the existence of the subjective phenomenon, nobody with any intelligence will deny that, but how the phenomenon is interpreted. Many, including Dr. Brown, feel that there is a neurological explanation (which is, as I understand it, the position Anthony takes ... and you would know this if you had read his books). Others think that there is a supernatural explanation such as the phenomenon could be explained by reincarnation or some form of collective memory carried within the DNA. Indeed I find it somewhat odd that a "religious" person such as yourself is on the side of the materialists on this one.

However Brown's hypothesis fails to explain any of the regularly experienced precognitive elements of the deja vecu sensation. Again I know this happens because I have regularly experienced it. But then again I am simply a misguided idiot who happens to have a masters degree in biology!

[SM Kovalinsky]

Absolutely, the deja vu experience is often accompanied by the feeling, muted but growing stronger, that one knows what a person is about to say, to do, who will come through the door, and none of that is explained by the divided attention theory. Deja Vu is a universal experience, which has been written about by scholars, poets, philosophers, and I do believe Peake's explanation nails it.

[SM Kovalinsky]

That is, the Daemon's memory of a prior recurrence.

[Js1981]

I fully agree with scientific explanation.
Why don't you experiment instead creating a theory not possible to measure- as many people as many theories leads to no conclusive theory at all.

Put a shade glasses on and spent a day with only one eye opened.
Open the second eye every 30min. As soon as you stop thinkng about it and just remember to open the other eye you will start experiencing a deja vu every 30min. Very simple, your brain gets same information 2ice via delayed channel.
It is a very simple and effective experiment.
I am a new one here and love reading a forum but have an impression that most of you here are philosophers who just ignore the facts. If I learn a new thing I can create a philosophy of it but the problem is that someone learned that thing before me which makes my philosophy irrelevant. There is plenty of evidence of this type of perception here. As if the experience you had was only yours and noone else had it so your philosophy is the most propable explanation.

[dreamintheshell]

Hi js1981 and welcome to the forum.

You are obviously referring to the Efron theory which is still a theory as any other philosopher could have. Science can replicate déjà-vu experience in many ways. The theory of why it would occur is just logical speculation and is still contradictable.

You said:

Put a shade glasses on and spent a day with only one eye opened.
Open the second eye every 30min. As soon as you stop thinkng about it and just remember to open the other eye you will start experiencing a deja vu every 30min. Very simple, your brain gets same information 2ice via delayed channel.
It is a very simple and effective experiment.

Unfortunately I do not have the free time right now to try this and it would be hard to make the difference for me since I have déjà-vu most of the time. But again a question that Art and tony has broth up is: why does a blind person has déjà-experience related to other sense than vision?

Why does my thoughts are déjà-pensé?

Why can we experiment déjà experience with almost if not all other senses?

Why did me and many other people are sure that we have dreamt this before…in the past…the exact same way or in a too similar way to be just random?

How does Efron theory explain this…to make a metaphor…should a doctor prescribe a medication that work only on 50% of the patients?

Closing one eye for a full day clearly mess up with your perception but…to apply Efron theory to this phenomena is very logical but still speculation…to this day science still ignore what, really, is the cause to déjà-vu.

Did you tried this experiment yourself and how often do you experience déjà-vu when you do it and when you do not?