Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Deja Vu - that strange feeling that one has lived this moment before - is recognised as being the most common 'psychic' experience. So what exactly is Deja Vu? Can it simply be a confusion of perception or is there something much more important taking place? This is the place to record your own experiences of this mysterious phenomenon ... maybe even join in a very important world-wide survey that will attempt to finally explain this mystery.

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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby A Dark Philosopher on Mon May 25, 2009 6:56 pm

Nebankh wrote:I'd say trance state sounds right Karl, though I don't understand the significance? Is there any?

There usually is some significance behind a question of mine, yes. :D
Occassionally it is a very hidden signifcance but on this instance it's purely part of my ongoing research into the wide variety of Conscious states, so thank you Jaq.
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby lee_mozzy on Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:32 pm

I have had really strong déjà vu in the past and have been certain I had lived or seen that moment before (déjà vu or déjà vecu)

It wasn’t until very recently that I had a dream and around 2 days later, I had a very strong déjà vu feeling. I was certain that the moment I was experiencing, I had dreamed just days earlier (I have just learnt the correct term, thanks to this post). I have started looking into other cases of this phenomenon.
Are there any differences between pre-cognitive dreaming and déjà rêve?
If yes, can anyone provide me with the cliff notes? ‘He say’s hoping all the information relating to the subject can be condensed into one tasty little bite size morsel’ If only all information worked this way. I was starting to attribute it to me being a little psychic, but as I am not a firm believer in the psychic concept, I find the idea of déjà rêve much easier to accept. However, to agree with the theory that
“We are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively as collapsed particles of consciousness, from the collapsed consciousness wave”
Then I guess you have to believe, we are all psychic if we are all one consciousness. We have déjà vu, déjà vecu or any other déjà as we already know what has happened and what will happen.
I may be interpreting some of this incorrectly, so I apologise if this is the case. I am very new to the concept.
I will be studying this post with great interest, this is the main reason I joined the forum; that and the consistent hounding of Hurly Burly (a long standing member of the forum).

I give huge thanks to YouAreDreaming for starting this thread.
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby A Dark Philosopher on Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:59 pm

lee_mozzy wrote: I have had really strong déjà vu in the past and have been certain I had lived or seen that moment before (déjà vu or déjà vecu)

It wasn’t until very recently that I had a dream and around 2 days later, I had a very strong déjà vu feeling. I was certain that the moment I was experiencing, I had dreamed just days earlier (I have just learnt the correct term, thanks to this post). I have started looking into other cases of this phenomenon.
Are there any differences between pre-cognitive dreaming and déjà rêve?

Hi Lee. Yes, there are differences, albeit rather subtle ones. I would strongly recommend that you research the work of Dr Art Funkhouser (fellow FORUM member and splendid fellow) and specifically his "Dream Theory of Deja vu".

Perspectives - Vol. 6, No. 1 - Dreams and Deja Vu by Art Funkhouser

Plus, of course, my own paper:

Deja vu, Consciousness, Time & English Pubs

.....and FORUM discussion here.

lee_mozzy wrote:I was starting to attribute it to me being a little psychic, but as I am not a firm believer in the psychic concept, I find the idea of déjà rêve much easier to accept. However, to agree with the theory that
“We are all one consciousness, experiencing itself subjectively as collapsed particles of consciousness, from the collapsed consciousness wave”
Then I guess you have to believe, we are all psychic if we are all one consciousness.

As author of that particular quote, and the CtCw theory from which it is taken, I would say that it doesn't necessarily translate to meaning we are all 'psychic' but that such quantum entanglement of subjective consciousnesses is certainly possible, if learnt, and under certain conditions, requiring altered states of consciousness.

I am going to publish a follow-up paper in January using the responses from people who live with a much wider spectrum of deja experiences that I covered in the original paper, plus expanding on my FAR concept and introducing some more leading theories on the causes and explanations of deja phenomena, including Deja Reve and Dream Precognition, so to that end I invite you to contact me on the email address given in my paper if you would like your own experiences to be included in the follow-up paper or wish to complete my deja questionnaire.

Interestingly, I just today lectured on Consciousness and Deja Vecu which brought forward several very interesting accounts from those in attendance and the whole area of Dreaming and Deja was comprehensively discussed. I'd be delighted if you wanted to be involved with my next paper.
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby lee_mozzy on Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:00 am

Hi Karl,

The quote that caught my eye and started me thinking, I do have to fully read and absorb the rest of the paper (I think my current take on it, is very novice to say the least). I would be delighted to be included in your next paper/study and I will forward any questions I have to you in due course.
I am on a bit of an information overload at the moment, a Johnny Five style, scan over and absorb.
The amount of information I am going to have to ingest in order to fully understand it all, is a bit daunting. You, Tony and Martin have given me some great places to start and I can see many hours of reading ahead of me.

I've read about a third of Martin's copy of ITLAD and currently do not have a copy, so need to order one along with The Daemon and start there. Luckily I've seen most of the films referenced in ITLAD.

I'm sure there will be many questions I have along the way, so any clarity you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby Anthony Peake on Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:21 am

Lee (and anybody else looking for a unique Christmas present),

Shameless plug here (my apologies) but if you wish to purchase copies of the Daemon and ITLAD may I suggest that you may be interested in buying them directly from me. This really does help me keep my head above water (in a financial sense) and you do receive a personally signed copy. I charge exactly the same price as if you went into Borders (as was), Waterstones or any other bookshop .... the only extra is postage and packing. I will also place a personal dedication if you let me know what you wish me to write.

This can be done (via PAYPAL) by clicking on:

http://www.anthonypeake.com/pages/booksforsale.htm

I have no idea how close many of you guys are to the publishing business these days but authors really make a tiny, tiny amount from each book purchased in a book store. For example I can make as little as 15 pence for the purchase of a £9.99 book. At least if some books are purchased direct from me I can earn enough money to keep this FORUM going for free and make a small income out of my writing.

Sales pitch over ...... sorry!!!
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby lee_mozzy on Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:52 pm

Hi Tony,

Nice pitch. I will order the books, however, need to wait until the 23rd Dec as that's payday, unless I drop some hints that it's what I want for Christmas.

It's pretty criminal what they allocate towards the Author's, considering all the time and effort spent in the writing process, so no harm in cutting out the middle man. I will order a signed copy but do not need a specific dedication, so don't worry to much.

I'll let you know once I've ordered them by email, and if you can't use your own Forum to plug your works, whats the point?

I don't need them until January so don't worry about rushing delivery.

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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby A Dark Philosopher on Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:02 pm

lee_mozzy wrote:Hi Karl,
The quote that caught my eye and started me thinking, I do have to fully read and absorb the rest of the paper (I think my current take on it, is very novice to say the least).

Thanks Lee, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts when you've fully read and digested my paper. Hopefully you will take something of use from it.

lee_mozzy wrote:I would be delighted to be included in your next paper/study and I will forward any questions I have to you in due course.

Anytime, Lee. Truth be told I am winding down now for Christmas and New Year anyway; I've been frantically squeezing as much into a dwindling time schedule as possible for that last 10 days but from Saturday I will be largely on a two week chill-down!

Please feel free to email me with any questions or comments on my paper, plus to request my deja questionnaire and also to relay any personal experiences you feel could be useful for my follow-up. I Look forward to hearing from you.

lee_mozzy wrote:I'm sure there will be many questions I have along the way, so any clarity you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Always happy to help where I can Lee. Cheers.
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby rhodeiguy on Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:07 am

i replied to this a year ago, just before i started my current job. in that reply, i detailed a vivid déjà rêve episode.

well, it has been a year and i am now set to transfer to the UK this july.

i was with my father and grandmother this morning at a crowded diner in oxford, massachusetts. we were waiting for a table, when i looked over to my grandmother and said, "so, i am moving to london in july." at the same time, my father walked over and said something, which completely irritated me. then we sat down at a table, and the entire meal played out exactly as it had in a dream i had a while back about me moving to london.

bizarre.
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby YouAreDreaming on Wed May 26, 2010 5:42 pm

I have just read "The frequency of déjà vu (déjà rêve) and the effects of age, dream recall frequency and personality factors" thanks to a Google search. Art, I have to say it's nice to see this kind of research being conducted. Here's the link to anyone who has not read the article: http://archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/ojs/ ... 473/pdf_23

As the evidence builds, and we start to accept the reality that "some" dreams have this precognitive potential to predict a future event. The next step is uncovering the mechanics of how this is possible and what allows for such a defiance of physical law. All I can do is share some of my thoughts on the topic based on my own personal experience.

There really are very few explanations that warrant any real logical explanation in my opinion. I can see two avenues that research branch into:

1.) We somehow travel through time and observe a future event.
2.) We are creating the dream and it actualizes some time later.

In the first case, it might be easier for us to accept this is a type of quantum leap as we are starting to understand how consciousness exists within Quantum Mechanics and could be entangled with itself across the spectrum of time/space. With theories presented by Takaaki Musha in his publication, "Possibility of High Performance Quantum Computation by using Evanescent Photons in Living Systems" we can speculate that if something is faster then light, then it may not be governed by the limits of time/space. Could FTL computation give our consciousness time traveling potential?

Link: http://www.scipub.org/fulltext/ojbs/ojbs8110-14.pdf

This is something that I seriously consider as that presents a possibility that sits with my logic. I can see this direction getting more momentum then number 2 on the short list.

Number 2 however, presents something even more dramatic in what it implies if true:

The original dream is created by the "dreamer" and it actualizes. If true, what would this mean? I have thought long and hard on this second path of thinking based on personal experience which suggests that the initial dream is "a created event that later actualizes".

One really needs to start at the source of the experience, which is clearly something we call a "Dream".

If a dream has the potential to actualize into "Reality" what is "Reality" in relation to a dream?

Are they one and the same? Are they different? If "Reality" can first be a dream, then certainly we must pay closer attention to this "Forge of Reality" so to speak. The processes and mechanics involved become very important scientifically. Regardless of our faith, beliefs or desire to extract away from such a metaphysical source, the fact is... dreams are more then just dreams.

I have been speaking with Robert Waggoner and Ed Kellog recently. Robert sent me a copy of his book, "Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self" which was an excellent read. He covers what he calls "ambient lucid precognitive dreams" in the book. Lucid Precognitive Dreams are a step up from a non-lucid precognitive dream in my opinion.

This emerging awareness of precognitive dreaming clearly has more levels to it's nature. Which means we can deconstruct the phenomena and dissect what these levels are and what they mean:

1.)Symbolic Precognitive Dream – A dream where the normal symbolism of dreaming invokes an experience that up until an actual event occurs, the mystery of the symbolism is then realized. I will give a personal example:

"I have a dream where this old man is teaching me how to drive a forklift on an old dirt logging road. A person stops the forklift and demands that I take off my boots and give them to him.".
In reality, I have never driven a forklift. However, in time I get a job at a steel factory and train on the forklift. I do not own a pair of steel toe boots yet, so the foreman gives me a pair that were in the lunch room as there was a work safety inspector on site that day. He and I didn't consider that the owner of the boots would be angry and storm out on to the yard. In reality he stood in front of the forklift yelling and screaming and threatened me. Made me take off his boots and I had to walk back to the lunch room in my socks.

That is a classic example of what I feel describes symbolic precognitive dreams.

2.) Third-person Precognitive Dream – Where the observer sees something in a third-person vantage point, and it happens some time later. I have no personal experience with this particular type of precognitive dream suffice to say I have read about it and talked to others who have. It's the classic you watch an airplane crash to then see it in a newspaper some days later.

3.) First-person Literal Precognitive Dream – What you dream occurs in your normal sensory first-person view. What you think, feel and experience in the dream later comes true. This is what some Déjà Vu masquerades as in my opinion, as it is this type of precognitive dream that I associate with Déjà Rêvé.

4.) Lucid Precognitive Dream – Were you are awake and aware you are dreaming in the classical lucid dreaming sense. Not sure if this applies to all the above three, suffice to say in my personal experience one can have a state of lucid wakefulness knowing one is in fact dreaming, to then have such an experience come true in the same process and mechanics as normal non-lucid precognitive dreams.

As to other venues of precognitive dreams, these ones come to mind as the most relative to the nature of the phenomena. As you know, I have talked about changing a lucid precognitive dream before it actualizes. This curiosity was fully explored back in 1997-1998 when I had many successful changes actualize from simply consciously changing what at first was nothing more then a lucid dream.

The precognitive element or potential is never fully realized until it actualizes. However, knowing the changes first and observing them happen later completely demonstrated at least to me, that there is this potential. It is the closest I have come to actually understanding and realizing a very real relationship between dreams and physical reality.

Now, I have found very few people who also claim to have changed a precognitive dream and observe the changes happen here. All of which also practice lucid dreaming and other consciousness during sleep. The implications are huge. What is the full potential? If anything, all I did was scratch and poke at the surface.

Just some thoughts on the topic.
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Re: Déjà Rêve (Already Dreamed)

Postby Anthony Peake on Wed May 26, 2010 6:49 pm

YouAre Dreaming .... a really challenging and intriguing posting.

However you can simply apply an itladian solution to the mysterious process, a solution that does not involve a radical reinterpretation of known science

If ITLAD/CTF is applied then we have "future cognition" because it is a memory of the last (or any of the previous) runs through the BIMAX. This "memory" may be induced within a dream-state by the Daemon or simply be recalled by the Eidolon as a dim recollection, possibly filtering over from the non-dominant hemisphere.

Imagine a scenario: You are reliving a life that you have already lived .... travelling along the same Minkowskian Time-Line. You see or hear something that stimulates the dormant memories of that past-life and you have a vague shudder of recollection. This is a deja vu, deja senti or, more accurately, a deja vecu.

Thus, by placing an itladian interpretation we do not need to pick between the two alternatives suggested, viz

1.) We somehow travel through time and observe a future event.
2.) We are creating the dream and it actualizes some time later.

What do you think?
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