Quantum Spin and DNA

[Anthony Peake]

I am intrigued by the implications of this link that was sent to me today by Dr. Art Funkhouser:

http://wis-wander.weizmann.ac.il/biological-molecules-select-their-spin

It is of significance that biological systems can be influenced by quantum events. This is something that I suggest may take place within the brain in my forthcoming book ..... maybe by the time the book comes out in November more will be known about this discovery.

[MAC]

Hi Tony: Thanks for the link to the item. Interesting spin on things.

Imagine, it's happening all the time, as well; without "our" conscious direction, but perhaps under the "direction" of some level of "consciousness", i.e., intelligence operating at the cellular/biological level; under implied direction from the implicate order of things ?

Cam

[jananz]

Hi Guys...here is a response from Matti Pitkanen on the question of spin, chirality, water and DNA:

4/14/11
thank you. I will respond within week or two. I agree about the importance of spin and more generally, angular momentum including orbital one. Chiral selection is second important and remains a puzzle in standard model framework where parity breaking is present but extremely small due to short range of weak interactions.

My own manner to understand the importance of spin requires that one one accepts the role of magnetic body, the hierarchy of Planck constants, and the vision that magnetic cyclotron states of charged particles in magnetic fields associated with flux tubes are key element in living system.

Besides orbital angular momentum around the direction of magnetic field, also the spin projection of the particle gives contribution to the interaction energy. If I remember correctly, at non-relativistic limit the interaction energy has typically n+/-1/2 proportionality where n corresponds to cyclotron energy due to orbital angular momentum around magnetic field and 1/2 to the coupling of spin to magnetic field.


Energies are proportional to hbar and are above thermal threshold only for large enough Planck constant. This leads to a vision about how evolution of living systems means gradual increase of the value of largest hbar involved with the system. Time span of the memory and planned action would be proportional to hbar.

Chiral symmetry breaking is another story and requires classical long ranged Z^0 fields predicted by TGD. Also this aspect is now reasonably concretely understood or at least I have concrete models for cell membrane leading to surprisingly detailed predictions for how the lipids of cell membrane serve as pixels of a sensory map.

Best Regards,

Matti Pitkänen
matpitka@luukku.com


Dear Jana,

sorry for slow response.

The spin behavior of DNA is very interesting. I did not know about this earlier. The first explanation that comes in mind is high Tc super-conductivity in which Cooper pairs have net spin unlike in the usual super-conductivity. This kind of super-conductivity is possible at magnetic flux tubes. Spin 1 is the first possibility and this kind of super-conductors are known to exist and contain two regions with opposite spin direction. This is needed because in the formation angular momentum must be conserved unless the super-conducting system itself rotates to compensate the angular momentum of Cooper pair. Spin 2 is second possibility: in this case electrons have relative angular momentum of one unit.

The reason why electrons with second spin direction are only accepted is that only them can be added to the Bose-Einstein condensate of Cooper pairs. This finding could be seen as a support for Topological Geometrodynamics (TGD) based view about DNA as super-conductor. The chirality of DNA defines naturally the direction of the angular momentum of DNA.

It would be interesting to know whether the DNA in question is DNA double strand or single strand since one can consider also the possibility that the two strands have BE condensates with opposite spin directions.

I remember that the angular momentum of DNA during the period when it opens by winding is quantized in multiples of hbar. This would suggest that the Bose-Einstein condensate can induce "motor actions" of DNA. When Cooper pairs decay the angular momentum must go somewhere and it could be taken by the DNA itself as orbital angular momentum inducing the opening of DNA.


To the question about ideal oxygen concentration in water I have no answer. This would require specialist knowledge. In any case, I believe that the hydrogen bonding to the surrounding water is the fundamental stabilizer of the shape of the molecule. Protein folding would be also determined by it: one can imagine that the ordered water layer surrounding the molecule is like ice covering stabilizing it and inducing kind of cellular winter. When the system is perturbed this layer melts and the protein changes its conformation and the process known as protein aggregation takes place. When the external perturbation is over the original situation prevails. This kind "cellular summer" would be basic reaction of cellular system to external perturbations.

Topological Geometrodynamics (TGD) based view about water supports Schauberger's ideas. TGD suggests strongly that genetic code is realized at deeper level in terms of what I call dark nucleons. The three-quark system for dark nucleon would correspond to single DNA triplet and its states can be arranged 20 amino-acids, 64 RNA and DNA, and even tRNA has place in this picture. This DNA would represent the deeper realization of genetic code and chemical realization would be latecomer.

The recent findings about the behavior of oil droplets of oleic anhydride containing some chemical in water brings in mind living system give some support for this idea. Also the black tar resulting in the experiments of Urey and Miller added to oleic anhydride was studied and found to have similar characteristics. See New Scientist vole 209 2802.


The ageing of water would correspond to evolution for the population of the dark matter nuclei consisting of sequences of dark nucleons. This population of dark matter molecules could be involved also with the homeopathy and here magnetic bodies of original molecules added to water and associated with the ordered water layers surrounding the molecules and dropped during shaking process would make possible the mimicry of the original molecule by these magnetic bodies in the sense that the cyclotron frequencies responsible for important biological effects would be same as for original molecules.

Catastrophes drive evolution and shaking process would also induced evolution since it would be a catastrophic event from molecular point of view. This would be also the reason why tornado machine would drive evolution of water very rapidly.

The existence of this exotic DNA for which the experiments of the HIV nobelist Motangier's group give support would have rather far reaching consequences since the evolution could be based on R&D based on DNA if the transcription of dark DNA to ordinary one is possible.


With Best Regards,
Matti Pitkanen
http://matpitka.blogspot.com/

[MAC]

JanaNZ: My head's spinning now ... or perhaps it's my mind ...

Fascinating stuff ... lining up spin comes to mind as a thought ... meanwhile all spins, even the cells of our body ... or so it seems.

I suppose there's a vibration associated with spin itself; octaves of spin comes to mind as a thought as well.

Imagine, it's happening all the time, as well; without "our" conscious direction, but perhaps under the "direction" of some level of "consciousness", i.e., intelligence operating at the cellular/biological level; under implied direction from the implicate order of things ?

Thanks for the added comments from Matti Pitkänen ( matpitka@luukku.com ).

Perhaps things that come down the road, i.e., that I might learn about here or there, might help fill in some gaps for me; in the meantime, I'll see what I can assimilate in the way of some kind of at least basic understanding.

It seems like my linear thinking about such things slows down more and more over time.

Hmmm ...

Cam

[jananz]

Yea, Matti makes your head spin...he is from a different dimension.

Looking at this in the ultimate sense:
I was considering spin in relation to the geometry and electromagnetism of biological structures...and how if say the fats in our cell membranes are the wrong shape for resonant interaction with solar photons and earth energies...then this would make us "insane" and entropic at the molecular level. This is apparently what has been happening for 200,000 years at least since sapiens started using fire in cooking...but the molecular dissonance is increasing exponentially with the vast variety of denaturing methods today, combined with the various EMF frequencies and toxic chemicals and positive ions associated with "modern" life. Of course if our DNA, proteins, fats and other molecules are damaged they cannot select the correct spin of electrons and they lose the ability to maintain themselves at the quantum level in relation to the sea of electromagnetism and zeropoint itself. Fundamentally out of sync we cannot know our Self, nor can we know God...separated as we are from the Force of life giving form and function.
Knowing this though, we can begin to redeem our flesh in relationship to the universe and set about creating a bio-friendly lifestyle and technology...should we avail ourselves of the sanity and order of Nature to do so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl_onFMjJWA —Proteus, Ernst Haeckel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtgY5JFGIeE —Tony Wright, Left in the Dark