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[jobsaboba]

Well a lot of research goes into the iPhone too, although there is greater safety in numbers from buying an iPhone, rather than a tool that could expand consciousness beyond the PMR rule set. Because we are a herd animal I guess that there is no demand or incentive to mass-produce such a blasphemous thing!

I appreciate the effort to build such a high quality device, but as an engineer, I cannot help but think that the core of it is a simple piece of configurable software, running on a microcontroller, which is then driving a series of LED's in a particular combination and rate. In a way I can't blame them for the cost really. They are trying to make a living as much as anyone else and what self-respecting corporation is going to fund a research project like that and risk their losing peer reputation?

i agree domos

i dont see how this is any different to a television set ?

a series of lights that alters the state of mind ?

i wonder if it can be programmed for repeats ?

jobs

[Derkein]

It is hoped that organisations or medical practices will be the machines and use them as part of their procedures.
Tony

I can't see this being on the NHS Tony despite hypnosis and some other 'alternative therapies' being available, or even consultancy practices buying them.
Perhaps health spa's might be a possibility, as it is there you can gain access to things like isolation tanks, although even isolation tanks can be considered a bit controversial.

Derkein.

[Anthony Peake]

Interesting point. However as far as I am aware this is the first device of it's kind that has actually been designed by medically qualified individuals. Dr. Dirk Proeckl is not some New Ager who has been tinkering in his garage but a well respected consultant neurologist. Similarly Dr. Winkler has been a consultant psychologist with his own very successful practice in Austria. Already nine machines have been sold to medical practices in Austria and Germany and last week the device won a gold award in Germany.

[jobsaboba]

tony... i would love to hear your definition of qualified ?

jobs

[Anthony Peake]

Hi Jobs,

My definition of qualified is somebody who has been trained in what they are doing and somebody whose work has been reviewed by his or her peers. I am sure that you would not like to fly in an aircraft flown by somebody who has not qualified as a pilot. Likewise I am sure tat you would not be happy to fly in an aircraft which had been serviced by non-qualified engineers. I for one would not like to be operated on by a surgeon who has no qualifications, and I would not use the man in the pub if I needed specialist legal advice. I would go to a "qualified" lawyer or solicitor.

Tony

[domos]

Well, now this has sparked by curiousity.

Tony are you aware of any papers or patent information that may detail how the algorithm works, for example; the refresh rate and how is corresponds to brain waves?

(As far as I am aware the device is not similar to classical light machines as one does not have a separate strobe in each eye in an attempt to entrain the brain into a theta state).

Your talk on Red Ice Radio seems to indicate more of a circular motion, using an array of lights. I can imagine that if one were try to traverse a circle at a rate of 4Hz, there might be reason to encourage 'theta'-like activity - Assuming that we have a causal system that obeys scientific principles and works better than a placibo.

[Anthony Peake]

Hi Domos,

I will contact the Austrian doctors and let them know of your question and see if I can get a technical answer for you.

Best Wishes

Tony

[paulainsworth]

Hi Tony
I'd be interested to know if there is a range factor as to the effect of the device and if a visually impaired person would be able to have the same experience?

Cheers

Paul

[Derkein]

What a superb question Paul. I would also love to hear the answer to that.#

DK

[paulainsworth]

and also what if you had two subjects both sitting in front of the device... and compared what they each experienced... i've heard of people on mind altering substances sharing the experience