My "Cri du Coeur"... for discussion and debate

[Anthony Peake]

As I am in heavy-duty writing mode at the moment (finishing off the manuscript for book five) I have just placed a series of postings over on my Facebook Wall. (http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150297836500415&id=596170414&notif_t=feed_comment. These really should be placed here. I am keen to have your comments on thoughts on this. Am I being unreasonable in my comments and if I am what is there to be done to change this developing schism?

1. I am coming to the conclusion that non-fiction authors, particularly those in what is generally, and misleadingly in my opinion, known as "Mind Body & Spirit" consist of two groups: Those who are trying to understand the nature of reality and consciousness and those who write books telling people what the nature of reality and consciousness is. The former are trying to find answers whereas the latter already have the answers and are "selling" them to those who wish to buy.....

2. The reason I write this is to underline the fact that I am one of the former. I have not been selected by the "Grand Elders of the Planet Tharg" to impart my message to the world. Angels do not whisper in my ear and I do not "channel" information from anywhere. However most "New Age" magazines are full of adverts for those who have "the answers" and for a payment they will impart their knowledge to you. As far as I can see not one of these self-proclaimed super-humans have any power or knowledge based upon anything even vaguely related to modern science or to what most people would consider to be rational logic. I have been involved in a few conferences in the past and I would like to congratulate the organisers and speakers at Weird 11 for creating a conference exclusively dealing with the former group of "seekers" rather than the latter group of "informers". Each talk was refreshing and intellectually challenging. The speakers were talking about "facts", some open to dispute I agree but nevertheless facts based upon the bedrock of rational enquiry inherited from the Enlightenment, not quasi-mystic obscurantism rooted in the Dark Ages. If we are really to understand the true nature of consciousness and reality (both the Noumenal World and the Phenomenal World as described by Immanuel Kant) then we have to apply rationality and science. We should use experiential reporting from those who experience altered-states of consciousness and use these to build up a model of what the Noumenal world consists of. We can then use this model to glean some understanding about the true nature of the universe that surrounds us...... my fear is that the wild claims of the "informers" will continue to be used by the rationalist-materialists to attack the credibility of the "seekers" ... to taint by association. This is to nobody's advantage. Materialist science does not have all the answers but neither do the "informers".

3. As the X Files strapline goes "The Truth Is Out There". The skill that researchers need in these uncharted territories is not just a question of knowledge and skills but also an ability to tell the difference between those individuals who have genuine noetic/ noumenal experiences (and there are many in my opinion) and those who are just "in it for the money". Of course the even greater skill is realising that many of those in it for the money do have a genuine skill or have had genuine experiences and use this to earn a living ... and we all have to do that don't we .... and in doing so have prostituted a real noetic/ noumenal ability into a media-darlinged celebrity spirituality that supposedly can be turned on and off in front of the cameras at will (but, it seems, never under controlled laboratory conditions) .... all grist to the mill of the James Randi's and Michael Shermer's of this world. I agree that these "abilities" are sensitive and transitory, so why fall into the trap of making grandiose claims that you can control them only to fail when success is really needed?

4. The last few postings are a reflection of my frustrations. There is something magical and wonderful waiting to be discovered if only we focused in on it in a rational and scientific way. By science I mean the true "scientific method" of observation. I agree that many phenomenon do not lend themselves to measurement because they are "non-physical" - that is they do not have existence in three-dimensional space .... but then again neither does a photon but nobody questions the existence of electro-magnetic energy (eg.light, heat and radio waves). With EM energy all we measure are the effects of the energy on other things, if they are illuminated or become hot (energised) but we never actually measure the photon itself because it has zero mass and travels at the speed of light (i.e. it exists in a timeless zone) .... but this does not mean that they are not "real". I just feel that the whole open-minded line of enquiry is being hijacked by snake oil salesman and those in it for a quick buck ..... and with the state of the world at the moment I do not believe we have that much time left to us to find a way out of this economic, social and environmental mess we find ourselves in. I believe the answer lies in the potential discoveries of noetic science .... but only as long as we stay focused on rational enquiry and do not get tempted down the side-streets containing the stalls, trinkets and "get quick rich" schemes of the salesmen....

[Anthony Peake]

In response to a comment I have just posted this (thanks Riva):

5. You know Riva, that really does sum up my reason for doing all this. I so relate to the lines from The Matrix: "I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world, you don't know what it is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?" I have that "splinter in my mind" and this is why I will continue doing what I do, I have no other option ....

[jobsaboba]

Hi Anthony,
you said

many phenomenon do not lend themselves to measurement because they are "non-physical" - that is they do not have existence in three-dimensional space .... but then again neither does a photon but nobody questions the existence of electro-magnetic energy (eg.light, heat and radio waves). With EM energy all we measure are the effects of the energy on other things, if they are illuminated or become hot (energised) but we never actually measure the photon itself because it has zero mass and travels at the speed of light (i.e. it exists in a timeless zone) .... but this does not mean that they are not "real".

If we can agree that all matter consists of photons, and that everything is energy, is it not viable that the material world we apparently see around us, is simply energy vibrating at a certain resonance ?

if so can we further agree that that any view of this energy vibration we have, is solely our own perception of what we believe it be at this moment in time ?

if so then could we further agree that time is an illusion that we create as we shift our energy/consciousness from one belief to another ?

could it be that our eidelon is searching for what our daemon already knows..... and if that is the case.... would it not be wiser to stop searching and trust our daemon ?

it seems to me that most are running round picking up pieces of a universal jigsaw, one piece at a time and asking themselves ...is this it ?
only to put it back down and go and look at another piece...and ask the same question

i hate quoting from the bible, but regarding the eidelon and the daemon, god said do not take from the tree of knowledge..... or dont ask questions..... if you are both your daemon and your eidlon, then you are all that is, all knowing, everything, i would suggest that most cannot grasp this fact and their eidlon starts asking questions simply because it is in fear of what it is...... when one relaxes and gives in... usually at the point of i cant take anymore....the daemon who has been lovingly waiting on the sidelines...gently steps in and says its ok, you have just forgot how wonderful you are, slow down a little you dont need to run away

for me personally the answer is you !! and as the great bob marley said .... your running and your running and your running away.... but you cant run away from yourself.

love n light

dave

[Anthony Peake]

Dave,

I think that you are hitting the nail on the head here. I am just finishing my book on "Time" and it is so clear that this phenomenon is a construct of the mind. I also agree with you that if you reduce the phenomenal world down to its constituent parts you end up with nothing but energy. There is no physical "out there" because there is nothing "out there" that has solidity of any sort. It is the mind that interprets these vibrations to create a tangeable three-dimensional image. Indeed this is what I have suggested in both my previous books ..... the "reality" is, in fact, the Bohmian IMAX.

As such could it be that if we create our universe (we collapse the consciousness wave as an original member of this Forum, Karl L LeMarcs suggested) then this reality is both inside of us and part of a greater external reality that we could describe as the Bohmian IMAX of the "Uber Daemon". For me this suggests a Spinozerian model of Panentheism. This has been defined by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami as:

Panentheism is the view that the universe is part of the being of God, as distinguished from pantheism ("all-is-God doctrine"), which identifies God with the total reality. In contrast, panentheism holds that God pervades the world, but is also beyond it. He is immanent and transcendent, relative and Absolute. This embracing of opposites is called dipolar. For the panentheist, God is in all, and all is in God.

This reflects my Bohmian IMAX in that I suggest that David Bohm's concept of "enfoldment" is central. From the implicate order is perceived the "explicate order".

However, this can only be speculation ..... but maybe speculation is the best that a finite intelligence like eidolonic consciousness can do in the light of such things. Possibly daemonic awareness has a greater knowledge of these things .... is this the "splinter in my mind" that I quote from the Matrix over on Facebook?

[jobsaboba]

However, this can only be speculation ..... but maybe speculation is the best that a finite intelligence like eidolonic consciousness can do in the light of such things. Possibly daemonic awareness has a greater knowledge of these things .... is this the "splinter in my mind" that I quote from the Matrix over on Facebook?

now that has hit the nail on the head

whilst we are still in the belief system that we are in a physical world, how can we truly perceive vibrations that are not of it ?
your lucid light experience may well be quite key in tuning into these different vibrations, although i am suspecting that as a global conscious idea, we are now transcending into that very understanding that we can alter our vibrations to experience those realms at will.

for things to not be quite so solid, it would seem to me that we must allow our most rigid beliefs of what is, to become more maleable

interesting times

dave

[SAB]

I am just finishing my book on "Time" and it is so clear that this phenomenon is a construct of the mind. I also agree with you that if you reduce the phenomenal world down to its constituent parts you end up with nothing but energy. There is no physical "out there" because there is nothing "out there" that has solidity of any sort. It is the mind that interprets these vibrations to create a tangeable three-dimensional image.

Hi Tony,

In your opinion does the mind (or indeed what permits mind to exist) arise from this energy or is it solely the interpreter/manipulator of that energy?

In other words, in your opinion, is the mind external to this energy or is it the process of the energy reflecting upon itself?

You comments on Panentheism would suggest the former.

As such do you equate Mind with :

Daemon?,
Eidilon?,
Consciousness?

Or do you see the above as merely expressions for different degrees of mind?


Your Thoughts?

Sab

[Anthony Peake]

Hi SAB,

Interestingly enough as I was writing this I was thinking about the implications ..... if everything is "energy" (electromagnetic, Zero-point, orgone or whatever) then consciousness is located within this energy field - probably part of the energy field, the LeMarcs "Consciousness Wave" hypothesis. Interestingly enough in my book due out in October I discuss in some detail the Stephen Hawking and Thomas Hertog model known as the "Observer Created Universe" and the theory of "top down cosmology". This describes how the universe can be viewed as having had no single unique beginning, but that it actually began in every possible way. Hawking and Hertog suggest that countless alternative worlds existed at the time of the creation of the universe, meaning that we can now picture the universe in its first moments as a superposition of all possibilities, something like watching an infinite number of movies playing simultaneously. These "potentialities" of reality exist in a superposition with each other stored within a field of, as Laszlo calls it, "in-formation". Just as the act of observation collapses the wave function into a point particle so, for Hawking and Hertog the wave function of each potential universe relating to each action we make is "collapsed" by each decision we make. In this way consciousness creates its reality as it instigates "change". Of all the potential universes that have been encoded within the "field" (Zero-Point Energy maybe). So it is reasonable to conclude that everything is really self-referential in that we all seem to exist as part of this greater energy field. The older I get the more I move towards the philosophy of Spinoza...... with a twist of David Bohm and his implicate/explicate order model ......

Tony

[jobsaboba]

perhaps if we are part of everything, we should consider the fact that we maybe part of nothing.
there can be no everything without nothing, and there can be no nothing without everything.

this could be the key to itlad.

possibly the fear of anhiliation of the self, creates consciousness.

and the nearer you get to that anhilation..... the greater the nde.

and the deeper the burst of consciousness... ?

perhaps heaven is a place where nothing happens

jobs