Non-denominational ITLADian spirituality

[strawberryfields]

You don't think you'll ever win the big one so you won't unless luck brings it your way or unless you beilieve solidly that it's entirely possible.
Nagging doubts negate the process I think, or at least reduce the chance of your 'prayers' coming to fruition.

So is faith the same as intention?
Anyhow, my Eidolon had this long chat with my Daemon and the Daemon said 'you don't need the big lottery win. All you need is what you already have - just polish it up a bit and think a bit deeper". And this is what Tony's books have done for me.
Nagging doubts always make the intention less sharp or focussed (IMHO) and therefore less likely to produce a result.
If I believe a Lotto win is entirely possible and it doesn't happen, is this due to my
a) lack of 'luck'
b) lack of faith
c) nagging doubt

And what IS 'luck' then Mike?...me young mucker!

[mikegrove4]

is this due to my
a) lack of 'luck'
b) lack of faith
c) nagging doubt

All of the above to varying degrees I would think.

And what IS 'luck' then Mike?...me young mucker!

luck is merely a perceived effect of happenings I suppose, a myth, therefore you could probably discount it from the equation.

[strawberryfields]

...so just lack of faith and nagging doubt then??

But remember my Daemon said it didn't matter....so isn't the whole idea of having faith negated somewhat?

[mikegrove4]

...so just lack of faith and nagging doubt then??

But remember my Daemon said it didn't matter....so isn't the whole idea of having faith negated somewhat?

Well it works for me and that's all I can say

[strawberryfields]

Fair enough Mike.

But I think this topic opens up an area of discussion: If our Daemon knows what's in our future, and if we can access that information, is faith needed at all?
But that's not the same as intention - as far as I can be sure.
Selling your puppies was your focussed intention and if we just sit and think it through would you come to the same conclusion - i.e. that faith and intention are not the same?
Faith was your 'hope' that you'd sell the puppies but your intention helped bring it about. Did your Daemon tell you you'd end up selling them???

[mikegrove4]

You are right mate, they are not the same.
Just to clarify:- I let the future know my intention and have faith that my goal is achievable.

Unfortunately(?) I am not able to freely converse with my Daemon at will or otherwise.
I feel my daemon's presence and influence in other ways like weird synchrondipities and synchronicities and through my
music, writing and creating and the general feeling that most things happen for a reason.

[Spider-Man]

I do not believe that as an ITLADian I would pray to my Daemon - indeed if it were a religion would Tony be our profit? . Indeed I am not able to converse with my Daemon myself, and besides all it can do is guide the 'best' possible path (if I've got that part right?)

He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy!

[Spider-Man]

"If you have an intellectual cynicism that prohibits you from believing in ephemeral things and the unseen, it's a hindrance because what you can see and prove is very small - even the entire universe is minute compared to inner space and other dimensions. If you're keen but can't get past your skepticism, just pray that the powers that be grant you one extraordinary experience that will blow away the walls of logic. You must be humble about it (and some might have to put aside that irritating habit of pretending they know everything), for if your mind is unwieldy, the higher powers can't really show you. You have to be allowed to believe whatever you want - that's the law, someplace. But you'll get your special moment if you pray for it.

Remember, we humans are programmed to forget and to be etherically and transdimensionally blind. You have to have faith without any evidence, and then eventually, it will open up a little and show you. But you must go first."

Stuart Wilde
The Art of Redemption

[strawberryfields]

"If you have an intellectual cynicism.... If you're keen but can't get past your skepticism,

Spidey - I'm not sure if you were meaning that I was cynical or sceptical - and apologies if you weren't - but our higher-self (Daemon) knows all about our past, present and future and knows what's best for us. So why do some - even those who are now aware of their Daemon feel the need for faith? If we can connect with our Daemon and have the re-assurances that we seek doesn't that take out the need for faith?
(And I'm not intending to be critical at all - of anyone. And I'm not cynical or sceptical - I've already been down the road of faith and found it was a cul-de-sac.)

Humbly yours...

[Spider-Man]

That quote wasn't related to any previous posts. It's about what a person needs to if they want to have an extraordinary experience. The phrase 'seeing is believing' has it back to front. If you want to see, then you need to believe first. Believing means having an open mind. Atheism and religious fundamentalism are the antithesis of having an open mind, and are both two sides of the same coin. Spiritual masters have spent years expanding their conciousness to a level where they have experienced things that are beyond the minds of the average person. They don't just believe that there is a higher intelligence, they know that there is one.