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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

CTF/ITLAD suggests a very specific structure as to what happens to human consciousness at the point of death. In his writings Anthony Peake also considers that all the elements of CTF can be found in Gnostic teachings. He proposes that the great Gnostic philosophers and writers of the past had an awareness of CTF and described it in esoteric language. The same applies to the great mystic and occult schools of Europe and Asia. Have you an opinion on this? Do you agree that writers such as Crowley, Blake, Blavatsky, Gurdjeif and Ouspensky (and many others) were describing elements of ITLAD in a different form. Was CTF the real secret of the Cathars?

Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby SM Kovalinsky » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:45 pm

Leonard, I respect that you feel bad about the quality of some of the exchanges on here, but a phrase like "the same 6 or 7 people..instigating all the vitriol towards me" indicates a lack of objectivity. Communication is always a two-way street, so maybe you should consider how you are attracting this vitriol. My experience with ITLAD is that it is about exploring the scientifically-based concept of immortality with an open mind. Although theology is referenced by Tony in ITLAD, no conclusion is reached about how the universe was created. A mindset of curiosity and exploration is really the key, so posts that get into "God" are likely to draw fire and send us hurtling down the path to subjectivity and conflict. I respect your views and freedom of speech, I think you a free to consider the correct audience for your views. There are a lot of forums out there.


Just had to applaud this remark as well. Very apt, very perceptive, nicely astute, nice job. :D
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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby SM Kovalinsky » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:50 pm

and nice first post, Angie---astute observations! Please post on some of the other topics as well! :) :!: :idea:
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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby SM Kovalinsky » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:16 am

I think the intelligent thing to do would be to contact the author privately, (giving him ample time to respond, as he is a very, very busy man) and ask him what his beliefs are regarding how Deity fits in with CTF. I think most people do not like to discuss God, unless they are on a religious forum , it just bores people. This is why no one has come to your "defense" When I was a philosophy major, unless one were in a Philosophy of Religion class, bringing up God was considered bad form, irrelevant, etc. It is something many, many people just feel they have gone beyond. Hence, the "spiritual but not religious" movement here in America. Not too much mention of God, just as the reformed Jewish Rabbis say "O, Source of Life"---which I am sure Tony feels is very connected with CTF, but not G_D i would assume. I think this topic has been exhausted on forum so let us give it a rest and move on, shall we?
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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby SM Kovalinsky » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:58 am

Firstly, I have little to no respect for academia, so your major doesn't impress me. Truth be known, I think "education" makes people unable to think. But that's another topic. Secondly, the only reason academia thinks bringing God up is "bad form" is that's the culture of academia. I already know all about what you've said above, why it is so and why people think the way they do. It's called programming. Academia is nothing more than a vessel for the "machine". As a matter of fact, I'd go as far to say that I am an enemy of academia. Note: NOT "learning", but "academia". Especially government sponsored academia.


I am not an academic. You do not know me well enough to know my stance on academia. Nor on God. There are reasons why it is bad form, though, and I am in agreement with most of them.
You say an awful lot about yourself. and I advise my recommendation above. People have responded intelligently, it is only YOU who say they have not, and it is very tedious. Yes, let us move on altogether, i think this thread will fizzle out on its own, I am bored to tears ------ I am off, truly meant to ignore, but I did not like your insulting Tony's forum. Tony has attracted wonderful and intelligent people from all walks of culture, and your post is not the "Last Judgement" on Peake's Fabulous Forum. :lol:
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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby SM Kovalinsky » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:16 am

Regarding the intelligent people, I'm still waiting for them to arrive. Hopefully when they do, they'll have the intellect to read, understand and respond to the OP.
Rude, rude, rude. Tony believes all his readers and followers are intelligent. Bye bye. :lol:
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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby Anthony Peake » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:12 am

I wish this all to stop. Now.

This is not what this Forum is about or has ever been about. We have always had open and powerful debates but they have never sunk this low before.

It is about fair and reasoned debate about my writings or subjects allied to my writings.

This thread has nothing to do with ITLAD. I wish it to stop and I request that no more postings be added. I will expect Forum members to adhere to this request.

I will evaluate over the weekend as to whether the Forum is being damaged by such negativity and I will take action to ensure the future viability of this important resource.

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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby MAC » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:03 am

Having initially placed this posting then removing it upon seeing Tony's admonishment to cease and desist any activity on the thread I've decided to place it back claiming a right to do so ... as the post was essentially prepared prior to Tony's "Notice" ... simply not placed in the thread ... :? ;)

A Previous Forum Member wrote: I have some questions:

1). Do you think atheism is primarily caused by disillusionment with religion, and that the average atheist throws the baby out with the bathwater? If you do not agree, can you provide examples of how an atheist might justify their position without citing perceived inconsistencies in scripture?

2). Do you recognise a difference between a belief in God, and being religious, or being religious and being spiritual? If so, (or if not), please explain your reasoning.


An interesting set of notes about a topic such as Atheism and your "theory" about a potential cause of such. :? ;)

In any case, your OP question 1a reads:

"Do you think atheism is primarily caused by disillusionment with religion, and that the average atheist throws the baby out with the bathwater?"

My reply is that atheist and non-athesit alike are welcome on the Forum, i.e., to discuss Tony's theories and relate potential personal experiences in regards to such, etc., at least so I understand; in which case, any potential cause for atheism, or non-athesim for that matter, would seem to be irrelevant here on this particular Forum. ;)

Your OP question 1b reads:

"If you do not agree, can you provide examples of how an atheist might justify their position without citing perceived inconsistencies in scripture?"

My reply here, once again, is much the same. How, or even whether or not, "I" might be able to provide some such examples, i.e., of how an atheist, or a non-atheist for that matter, might justify their position in such regard, would again be irrelevant on this Forum ... thank goodness. :? :D ;)

Your OP question 2 reads:

"Do you recognise a difference between a belief in God, and being religious, or being religious and being spiritual? If so, (or if not), please explain your reasoning."

There are a couple of questions in there, i.e., choose either question a or b ... and a rather large request to "please explain your reasoning" ... in either case.

Yikes ! Thank goodness these questions are tainted by the first questions and thus can easily be discarded, as a result, at least for the moment. :? ;)

Sorry, but I for one can offer little in the way of further commentary, otherwise, i.e., in regards to your apparent angst ... perhaps concern ... or, in any case, your "theory" ... about a potential cause of Atheism.

All the best, though, grappling with the topic. :D

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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby edg » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:03 pm

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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby edg » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:10 pm

Tony... Sorry that I appeared to persist after you had asked that we stop... I had my browser open for a long time before posting and in the meantime missed a load of traffic! Oops.. Anyway, your posting, above, was well considered and I hope Leonard agrees. Cheers. Ed
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Re: Is Atheism Caused by Blindness?

Postby edg » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:10 pm

Tony... Sorry that I appeared to persist after you had asked that we stop... I had my browser open for a long time before posting and in the meantime missed a load of traffic! Oops.. Anyway, your posting, above, was well considered and I hope Leonard agrees. Cheers. Ed
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